<Tyber> !markov Jacen Solo
<Nuku-Nuku> Jacen Solo dickrider who do I do that, and they expect us to break the 3RR
<Darth_Culator> That sounds like an epic work of slash fanfic.
<Darth_Culator> "Jacen Solo: Dickrider"
<Tyber> XD
<Tyber> but... ew...

Jacen gets sassed by his domineering jerk of a security droid, which is just another way to really sell an effective villain. You remember those scenes in the films where the mouthy stormtrooper gave Vader the finger all the time and Vader just got flustered and stomped off? Yeah, those were great. That's why I love Vader. --Havac

<Trip> Jacen went from a doofy kid who was socially awkward and compensated by cracking awful jokes and was generally kinda useless at fighting, to a doofy teenager who was philosophically awkward and genrally kinda useless at fighting (due to overthinking things)...
<Trip> and somehow this constitutes a horrendous break in character
<Trip> warranting the monniker, JINO
<Trip> is it that he stopped making terrible, horrible jokes?
<LordHydronium> Invincible should have moved the jokes from epigraphs to actual lines from Jacen
<LordHydronium> "Hey Jaina, why do TIE fighters scream?"
<LordHydronium> *gets evil grin, ignites lightsaber*
<LordHydronium> "Because they miss their mothership."
<Trip> see, that would've been awesome

<RF> "I agree with what Havac said; How can I escape into a fantasy world when the heroes suffer consequences for their risky behavior? THIS MAKES NO SENSE! "
<RF> lol, sarcasm detection fail
<Havac> Yep.
<Havac> Heavy-duty fail.
<RF> I... just can't understand the mindset
<RF> "I want all of the books I read to be totally predictable."
<Havac> "Nothing bad should ever happen."
<RF> "Also, I want a pony."
<RF> "And make her topless."
<Havac> "I want to escape into a world where Leia's homeworld is blown up in front of her eyes. Not a world where Leia's son goes evil."

<LtNOWIS> I thought of something for the Best Unexplored Storyline? thread
<LtNOWIS> We never found out the fate of Jacen, the stuffed tauntaun.
<LtNOWIS> It's like it just dropped off the face of the galaxy
<LordHydronium> It's the FOTJ threat.

# Jaina's good at fixing things, Lowie's good at computers (oooh, contemporary!), Tenel's good at physical activity, and Jacen's good at . . . talking to animals. He's got the equivalent of Heart in Captain Planet. --Havac

<LordHydronium> "Jacen was using violence to achieve a peaceful future in Inferno. The Jedi do the same exact thing when they decide to assassinate a Sith."
<LordHydronium> Hello, bullshit equivalency arguments. How nice to see you again.
<LordHydronium> See, it's like how Lee Harvey Oswald and Claus von Stauffenberg are exactly the same.
<LordHydronium> Because both wanted to kill leaders.

* Havac has changed the topic to: "Jacen and Jaina looked at each other, their liquid-brown eyes meeting as a host of thoughts gleamed unspoken between them. "
<Uli> ...
<Uli> KJA did this on purpose
<Havac> I sure hope so.
<Havac> Because otherwise it's just unconscionable ignorance.
<Uli> "lets see what I can get past the editors"
<Uli> anyway, low battery and I need some shuteye
<Havac> Night, Uli.
<Havac> Sweet dreams of twincest.
<Uli> I have no twin
<Uli> more's the pity
<Uli> wait, urm, did I say that?
* Uli runs
* Uli has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417])
<Havac> Oh, he also mentions how they're hot and sticky.
<Havac> And how Jaina has a throbbing body part.
<Horsey> ugh
<Horsey> that's wrong
<Havac> Tingling and throbbing, actually.
<Havac> XD
<Havac> The explosion of tart citrus-tasting juice proved surprisingly invigorating and delicious.
<Havac> XD
<Jello> line!
<Havac> acen asked, "What are you going to do with us, sir?" He tried to rub his chin against his shoulder to wipe off the juice dribbling from his lips.
<Havac> The TIE pilot stared unnervingly at him for several moments before he turned his face toward the bushes. "Not yet determined."

<Havac> Dammit, KJA. You do not understand love interests.
<Havac> He keeps emphasizing how muscular Tenel Ka is, like she's a bodybuilder or something.
<RF> ...
<Havac> And now he says she's taller and more strongly built than Jacen.
<Havac> Apparently, Jacen's ideal woman is a Romanian bodybuilder.

<Havac> Gah. We're 1/4 through Ambush at Corellia, and they haven't even gotten to Corellia yet.
<Havac> This trilogy really needed to be cut down.
...
<Havac> "You kids have never been swimming in a real, honest ocean, have you? "
<Havac> Dammit, Han, they just did that three books ago.
...
<Havac> OK, I'm now halfway through the book, and they're still not on Corellia.
<Jello> but when Corellia shows up, it'll feel like an ambush
<Havac> It will.

Well, it's like this, see--

When Jacen was sitting down and writing up his new, official Dark Lord Of The Sith character sheet, he decided to put as few points as possible into actual Force powers, and all that he could into the ability of "Make My Opponents Act Like Idiots."

Unfortunately, to get more points, he also took the Insane and Incompetent character flaws. He really should have re-rolled the chance cubes.

* Muuurgh curses the fact that he changed "Jacen Skywalker" to a redirect to fast, preventing Acky from making it a DYK.

<Darth_Culator> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=40_ABY&diff=1997328&oldid=1996917
<Darth_Culator> Once again, I wish we could ban purely for stupidity.
<LtNOWIS> I may be able to top that.
<LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Darth_Caedus&diff=2019924&oldid=2019838

Jacen Skywalker was a being who turned to the dark side of the Force and became Darth Caedus, much like one of his ancestors.

Behind the scenes

Jacen Skywalker is probably meant to be the same character as Jacen Solo.

<Muuurgh> http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/BtT1
<Muuurgh> "Jacen Skywalker followed in his ancestor's footsteps and became Darth Caedus."
<AdmirableAckbar> Sounds like he's emulating the Wyyrloks
<Darth_Culator> Um... Jacen /Skywalker/?
<AdmirableAckbar> Huh.
<AdmirableAckbar> Can I make an article?
<Darth_Culator> Heh.
<Muuurgh> XD
<AdmirableAckbar> Please?
<Yrf> hahaha
<Yrf> Han so doesn't count
<CavalierOne> Jacen Skywalker --> Ben's son, father of Kol Skywalker, took up his cousin's mantle as Darth Caedus ...
<AdmirableAckbar> Article is being made.
* Yrf facepalms
<Yrf> y
<Yrf> y'all are terrible
<Darth_Culator> Yes.
<Yrf> Maybe a redirect. That's all I'd feel was justified :P
<AdmirableAckbar> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jacen_Skywalker

Hmmm... One thing I'm curious about: if Luke can Force-vision-manipulate Jacen, why couldn't he push Jacen towards being redeemed? Oh, and incidentally, this enables us to reinterpret the visions Jacen has in Betrayal. From Invincible, we know that a powerful Force-user can easily manipulate his Force-visions. --J_K_DART

Probably because Jacen is an evil kriffer. --Charlemagne19

<LtNOWIS> Oh man, I remember the days back before people knew Jacen was going evil, or had accepted it.
<LtNOWIS> You had all these ridiculous apologists
<LtNOWIS> "Sometimes people die during interrogations."
<LtNOWIS> "Yes. Especially when you pound their head into hard objects."
<LtNOWIS> Except with more anger and exclamation points.

<Havac> "My children are going to have normal family stories to tell their children, little funny stories about everyday nothings, stories where no one dies too young or has to carry a burden of shame. I'm going to see to that, with your help or without it-"
<Havac> Ohh, Leia, you silly lady.
<Jello> lol
<Jello> from where?
<Havac> Before the Storm.

Uli: Anyway, yes. Jacen = American Psycho Bale
Uli: with a bit of Bruce Wayne thrown in when he's less insane.
Dunc: Jacen does not have anywhere near that much charm
Uli: point. But...
Uli: ...
Uli: shut up!
Uli: :(

<LordHydronium> "[Starfighters of Adumar is] of the funniest/best SW books period, IMHO. Barring any YJK books, natch."
<LordHydronium> Ah yes, YJK, home of such gems as "Knock knock!" "Who's there?" "A future Sith Lord who will attack you and kidnap our illegitimate child!"